yawn

How can you possibly make such assumptions about her? You are really not a very nice person.

As someone who knows her there is no doubt in my mind that she is studying medicine because she wants to help people. And I'm sure she'll be extremely good at it.

Just as I also chose to go into medicine because I want to help people. None of my career decisions have ever had anything to do with impressing my parents. Neither of my parents are doctors, and all they've ever wanted is for me to have a job I enjoy, and they are just as proud of my sister, who is not a doctor.

You make so many assumptions about people, and you don't know any of us. If anyone lacks social skills and has a lack of respect for other people, it's you. I just really hope you're not passing the same attitudes and behavior onto your children. I hate to think they would treat others with the lack of respect you show others on here.

I asked her a question.

i was also being comical

i use dark humor of sorts

get over yourself

LOL. I don't think you know the meaning of "Dark humor", or "comical".
You've got that mixed up with being a "twat".

But heck, if you really, really think you're funny and can live with the fact that no one else does, then post away.

I not only live with myself just fine, I'm in love with myself, and my every word.

thanks for allowing me to post away

you got anything of value to say?

or do you only like drama with no substance?

The topic is spanking, pick a side of teh fence, or ride the fence like a homo.

but do try your hardest to say something worth a shit

Someone's getting a little angry? INTERNET RAAAAGE.

Wait... is that a bad temper I sense? Is your whole "hitting a child scars them for life" mentality drawn from personal experience? Does someone have temper issues because they got disciplined?

It's okay, dipshit. Trolling on the forums was cool when you were 11. Some people just grow out of it faster than others.

you are ridiculously boring YAWN

please try your hardest to say something semi intelligent

or at lest update your sixth grade jokes

How about try some second grade grammar before you question my intelligence?

Nothing you say holds any credibility here because you're obviously trolling for attention. Go out and make some friends you dumb fuck.

grammar is not important to, i couldn't care less about it.

you might want to look up what an Internet troll is, you retard.

or just look in the mirror, trolling is ALL you have done

you add nothing of any value, and you have nothing to back up your stupid trolling insults

you are a complete waste of time TURN OFF THE INTERNETZ

You really think your blatantly ignorant posts a "valuable contribution"?

For the record, no, a troll is someone that posts something blatantly controversial and illogical for the sake of attention, just like you have. I'm calling you out for it - you're a fat dipshit with first grade grammar. Get over it. :)

I've made a small contribution to this thread, by the way. You just haven't seen it because I didn't post it in reply to your dumbass post.

well, then. my apologies. i didnt know you contributed to the topic, because like you say, it wasn't a reply to me.
although i would click to see what's up in here, those chance clicks weren't on your comments. so I missed them.

I left plenty of links to back up everything I said. I made sound arguments.

the only thing you personally said to me were personal attacks. and for that I say: FUCK OFF LAA HOO SERR


done with you YAWN

Your arguments sucked because you were so accusing of other people.
Insults aside...

I think not hitting your kid because of a "risk" to psychological problems in the future is silly. Good parents don't hit their kid because they're frustrated. Obviously it's a form of discipline and a form that is quite effective in the right situation, particularly as a last resort. It's an effective way to say "no, you can't do that. That's really bad". Sometimes it's hard to explain to a kid how important it is do something the right way. I also think it's rare that kids don't see WHY they were hit when they're older. Look at people in this thread, for example - A lot say that "I was hit so much as a kid because I was a little shit". Not many begrudge their parents when they're older, or feel like it affected them negatively.

Someone above posted something about kids self esteem being shot when spanked... I don't think that's limited to spanking. I'm sure kids don't appreciate a good yelling either. Unless, you're saying, that you shouldn't yell at your kids either? What are the other forms of punishment for a child misbehaving?

Speaking of psychological damage - your argument was "if there is a risk, then why take it?". Surely you understand the concept of risk vs. reward? If you knew you could give your kid psychological damage by sending him to school (which I'm sure you appreciate is quite possible) then you would you stop sending them to school? Also, when considering this "why take the risk" - consider the alternative. What would you do if your kid was misbehaving, and do you really think it would be effective?

Fuck off with your sofa units and strine green stripe patterns, I say never be complete, I say stop being perfect, I say let... lets evolve, let the chips fall where they may.

oops I totally had an emergency, back now, so where were we........


Your arguments sucked because you were so accusing of other people.
Insults aside...

-I didn't accuse anyone of anything they didnt already admit to. ;)


I think not hitting your kid because of a "risk" to psychological problems in the future is silly.

--That's your opinion, but your opinion doesnt change the facts. the risk is not worth it- my opinion.
you don't know if your child will be one of the thousands that it does cause problems for, you dont know. If you are willing to risk it anyway, not to bright in my opinion.



Good parents don't hit their kid because they're frustrated.

-- good parents do not ever hit there kids.


Obviously it's a form of discipline

--an unnecessary one. a stone age one. one that cause children to be more aggressive, according to the study that was a look at 100 years worth of studies. It's pretty hard to say 100 years worth of actual studies is wrong. but try they may.....


and a form that is quite effective in the right situation,

--It's an effective attention getter and nothing more. spanking only teaches that mommy is a hypocrite. it teaches that hitting other people is okay, sometimes, and is necessary sometimes to, well it's not. It's illegal for you to hit an adult, and it should be illegal to hit a child. what could a child possibly do to make you want to hit them? please give an example. and i will gladly give an alternative to spanking. rewards work wonders.

particularly as a last resort. It's an effective way to say "no, you can't do that. That's really bad".

--Often it is something else that is the reason behind the child acting up. Usually parental drama, or being passed around - day cares, grandma's house, baby sisters, struggling economies so both parents have to work, most of the time. Man look, it takes a lot of dedication to raise a child, especially the mini robot you version that controlling parents want. perfect little angels that can do no wrong OR ELSE YOU GET HIT - SWAT :P
Do not take out parental faults and shortcomings on the child that acts up to seek attention. hmmm for you, think of it as trolling. children are trolling for your attention 24/7 if they dont get it, they will find a way to, good or bad, and they wont even know why they do what they do. but you as a parent should know that if a child is acting up, it's not because they really want that toy, or they really are just some problem child. There is so much involved in why a child would act up, that one would have to asses their entire life, and the lives of their parents, and the environment, and everything they are being exposed to, to even begin to understand what the root cause for that child may be.....
The last resort, ie giving up and turning to violence- the parent becomes the rude uneducated troll,lol
If you run out of all other options, go buy a book, call some one else that can teach right from wrong without hitting. ie the hypocritical spanking. It sends a mixed msg that may lead to a mixed up person. it;s not worth the rick. address the root cause, not be defeated and run out of logical options, and resort to hitting is the ultimate solution, that is "silly".



Sometimes it's hard to explain to a kid how important it is do something the right way.

--children are so very eager to learn. Teaching them is a pleasure, for they are willing students.
One must first become the teacher, and not the student.


I also think it's rare that kids don't see WHY they were hit when they're older. Look at people in this thread, for example - A lot say that "I was hit so much as a kid because I was a little shit". Not many begrudge their parents when they're older, or feel like it affected them negatively.


--You have to look at why a child would act up. because that same child under different circumstances, may not act up. and be that little shit. ie there is so much involved in why a child acts up. I mean really an awful lot. Even being compared to the Jones, what's on television, other children they are exposed to, not enough family time, it could be anything, and everything. If the root cause is not addressed, the problem cannot be solved. Not even with violence, spanking is only a bandaide. a temporary way for the parent to get what they want, not what the child wants....which is usually attention, fairness, and just so much more....

Someone above posted something about kids self esteem being shot when spanked... I don't think that's limited to spanking. I'm sure kids don't appreciate a good yelling either. Unless, you're saying, that you shouldn't yell at your kids either? What are the other forms of punishment for a child misbehaving?

--Try thinking on a reward system. You do this for me, and I'll do that for you. That's how the world works. I'll wash your car, and you drive me to the store. it's a two way street. You can rule much better with a velvet hand, vs the iron fist. Punishing a child, will only cause them to lie to you, so they will not be punished.
We already know that the reason the child is acting up, as little to nothing to do with whatever that situation may be. exmp: Little Stevie was always such a god child, until.... his parents got divorced, he moved and started a new school, his best friend moved away, his parents have less time for him, is older brother acts up even more and gets even more attention, so now he must compete for attention, good or bad attention-doesnt matter which. There is so much involved with why a child would act up. That having the parent who is in full responsibility and is the direct reason for them acting up, that same parent will at last resort them selves for violence and place their blame onto the child. The child loses all the way around, sure the subconscious got some attention. but it is not the fault of the acting up child for their parents shortcomings.

Speaking of psychological damage - your argument was "if there is a risk, then why take it?". Surely you understand the concept of risk vs. reward? If you knew you could give your kid psychological damage by sending him to school (which I'm sure you appreciate is quite possible) then you would you stop sending them to school? Also, when considering this "why take the risk" - consider the alternative. What would you do if your kid was misbehaving, and do you really think it would be effective?


--It's an unnecessary risk. big difference. I have stated alternatives, that i personally use. I try and turn the situation into a game. I use comfort, calmness and understanding, I talk to them, i make deals, do this and I'll take you swimming, etc I do blow my top and yell, not all the time, but it does happen, and later i feel so bad. I'm not perfect, far from it, as I'm sure one troll to another would agree,lol
but my ultimate weapon is to ignore them, to remove myself from the situation and say, fine do whatever you want I dont care, and I leave. I forget about it. It's not a big deal. I'll wait until all calms down, and we can talk rationally, or they had a nap and aren't so cranky anymore, lol
then i will go into great detail about how this is why we do that, this, and the other....

wooha that looks loooong, bump away from drama, for random clickers-look up^^^^^^^

Actually, you left ONE link. And when I pointed out it's flaws as the basis of your argument, you couldn't even discuss it, or explain why you feel it backs up your argument. All you're capable of is being rude, and aggressive (and with bad grammar!). You have no idea how to debate properly. You just think if you shout louder than anyone else you'll be right.

not true. I left a link to my video, and said to follow the links in the sidebar.
I left that link twice, which has two more links in it.
I then left another link which was a google search link, that showed quite a few other experts going over the same study.

I originally had that video up on my old YouTube account, about two years ago. it had a little over 60,000 views. I have debated spanking with literally 100's of people.
I've covered just about every aspect one could imagine.
I had sound responses to all of your questions.


and now you will do like all teh other boring fucks, and just makes this a personal attack. YAWN

piss off

No, an internet troll is someone who throws random insults without contributing to the discussion.

Shattered Dreams:
A. Random insults from out of nowhere
B. Have not contributed to the conversation
C. Insulted grammar and used personal attacks.

Congratulations, you're an internet troll.

Edit: You haven't contributed until you were pressed to do so.

totally, and for that if shattered dreams ever replies to me again, on any topic.
I will reply only with fight club quotes
teehee

Dude, replying with fight club quotes = you fail and can't find anything better to say.
Congratulations captain dumbass. :)

Now keep trolling. In fact, Fight Club quotes are a pretty good way to not contribute to the conversation.
WHICH OMFG IS TROLLING.

I ask you for one thing, one simple thing.

a) Random insults from out of nowhere? You think I picked this dipshit randomly? Like, I woke up in the morning and said "Fuck, I hate that awesomesauce guy. I think I'll blast him". You don't think it has something to do with a stupid, controversial, rude opinion that I disagreed with? I don't even think HE agrees with what he's saying. He's just playing the devil's advocate for attention. i.e. trolling to get people riled up. I'm just calling him out for it. If you can't handle that - hey, it was none of your business to begin with.
b) I contributed to the conversation before I was pressed. It was just a few pages before this one, because for the most part, everything that I had to say had been said already in the last 10 pages or so. Also, even if I _did_ have to be pressed to do so, that doesn't change the fact that I actually DID contribute.
c) That doesn't make one a troll. It's rude, sure. But not really a troll.

Normally I'd add some smarmy, scathing remark for you attacking me like that but I don't actually think you're that bad a person at all.
So I'll just leave it here.

You don't think it has something to do with a stupid, controversial, rude opinion that I disagreed with?

Do you insult and berate everyone you disagree with? Why does it have to be controversial for it to warrant the poster being insulted?

He's just playing the devil's advocate for attention. i.e. trolling to get people riled up.

So then point out his flawed way of thinking? It's really not hard to argue your point without calling someone a "twat."

If you can't handle that - hey, it was none of your business to begin with.

I'm not seeing the logic here. It's a public thread on the general discussion forums. It being "none of my business" would mean that it's personal between the two of you and probably should be aired out on a public forum. Until then, I'm free to comment on whatever I please.

Normally I'd add some smarmy, scathing remark for you attacking me like that but I don't actually think you're that bad a person at all.
So I'll just leave it here.

That, and it'll just prove my point. I didn't insult or attack you.

You misunderstand.

I am not insulting and berating someone for a an opinion I disagree with. I don't think he has a "flawed" way of thinking at all.
If you really, really think Awesomesauce believes everything he says then, well, so be it.
I can't help but think that what he's doing is obviously trolling for attention - saying something stupid and being rude and a jerk about it just to rile people up. I'm surprised that people here keep their trolls well fed.
If he believed what he was saying - that's valuable discussion. But in case it isn't obvious to you, he obviously doesn't. He's just being a jerk and trolling. Just like I'm just being a jerk (and by your definition - trolling) in return. Just for the hell of it.

For a more extreme example, if I typed something like "Nah don't spank your kids. Just rape them" - would you seriously be surprised if someone accused me of trolling? Technically it IS contributing to the conversation, but it's such a fucked up opinion that it's obviously trolling. Awesomesauce is just slightly more subtle about it.