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Israel Right to Defend Itself
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30 Dec 2008, 22:50
The Bible Man
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December 24, 2008: After a six-month negotiated lull in rocket attacks, Hamas resumed its campaign of terror by launching dozens of rockets and mortar shells on Israeli civilians. On December 24 alone, more than 60 rockets and mortar shells rained down on major civilian population centers in the southern Israeli cities of Ashkelon and Netivot. Hamas has also threatened to resume its campaign of suicide bombings inside of Israel. These latest statements and actions by Hamas only serve as further proof that the terrorist organization is committed to Israel's destruction.

As I sit and watch the nations of our world react to Israels bombing of Hamas targets of which most express outrage I am dumbfounded that the world would react in such a manner. What would happen if Canada or Mexico housed terrorist organizations and they began launching these attacks over and over again. What would we do. Need I remind people what we did when we were attacked on 9/11. We attacked two countries, we declare war on all terror and any state that would sponcer it. How would Russia react. Ask Chechnya, they will tell you of the bombs that reigned down upon their cities day and night.

And when Israel is attacked, it existence threatened what is the wolds reaction....calls for restraint, calls for a ceasefire, comdemnation, and hatred. Shouldn't they defend themselves vigorously, wouldn't we? Something to consider before we get all anti semetic and call Israel the evil ones in this recent conflict.
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31 Dec 2008, 01:34
Music God CJ Plain
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Not sound mean or anything, but were you BORN completely retarded or is it something you practice at on a daily basis?

Are you SERIOUS? You should take the blinders off and really read about the conflict that has been going on for close to the past 50 years now. Israel is the AGGRESSOR at almost EVERY SINGLE TURN!

Let me ask you SERIOUSLY, Why does Palestine have ANY LESS of a right to defend itself against an invading force than Israel does? Do the research.
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31 Dec 2008, 01:44
The Bible Man
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Next time you want to form an arguement how about dealing with the questions that were asked instead of your personal attack on someone else's character? What would the US do if .....What did Russia do? Did they show restraint? Yes or No? Were these nations hauled before the UN and condemned for those actions? Yes or No? Why is there a double standard? Who started the last Middle East War? Who bombed who on Yon Kippur? Who threatens to annilate others....Israel? No!
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31 Dec 2008, 01:36
The Bible Man
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Who launched the first rocket attack after the cease fire agreement ended. Israel....NO! Hama's So who is the aggressor?
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31 Dec 2008, 01:55
Music God CJ Plain
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Israel has craved Palestine into tiny pieces, forcing the Palestinians to live in small chunks, with very little food or water most of the time. They are forced to pass through checkpoints on land that rightfully BELONGS to them.

Ask yourself this...Why are WE, as a country supplying weapons to a rogue terrorist state that is currently in DEFIANCE of over 40+ U.N. Resolutions? And just so you know...I'm NOT talking about Palestine here.

Israel has attacked Gaza time after time after time after time, killing THOUSANDS of innocent kids and women, yet when Hamas defends themselves, they are considered the terrorists? They're not fighting for the sake of fighting...They're fighting the sake of SURVIVAL, PERIOD!

Compare the numbers of dead Arab/Palestinians to the number of dead Israeli/Jewish. It's not even CLOSE. Israel has one of the most of the most highly trained and technologically advanced militaries in the world...Hamas is little more than freedom fighters essentially. What HAMAS does is comparable to them swatting airplanes with rolled up newspaper.

Plain and simple, Israel should be wiped off the map for the things they have done in the Gaza strip. It's especially ironic considering they are doing the EXACT thing to Palestine that the Nazi's did to them. Guess they learned the lessons of war well, huh?
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31 Dec 2008, 02:04
The Bible Man
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You stil lhave yet to answer a single question I asked but spouting more rheoteric.
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31 Dec 2008, 02:31
Music God CJ Plain
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If Israel had a LEGITIMATE reason to defend themselves, then yes, the world should be mad. If Israel's existence WERE legitimately threatened, then yes, they should have the right to defend themselves. The problem here is one thing though. The problems Israel is experiencing of of it's OWN politics. Israel should be NO MORE shocked about being attacked by Palestine than we should be shocked to be attacked by any of the countries that we have ravished for years to feed our corporate and technological greed.

as I stated before, you can call it rhetoric if you like, but Israel is doing EXACTLY the same thing that the Nazi's did to them. Why is it being condoned...when we immediately attacked the Nazi's to end the Jew's suffering.
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31 Dec 2008, 03:31
Kate.Monster
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Honestly, people need to stop saying that Israel should not be a country or "wiped off the face of the earth". It is a country, it cant just be "un-country-ed". Israel had the right to fight back against Hamas, which by the way are no where near freedom fighters. Do I agree with everything Israel stands for? No. But I've also been to israel, which, Music God, I wonder if you have. I've heard both sides of the story, and I don't think Hamas is a group of people to sympathize with.

On a more humorous note, Israel is a holy site for so many people across the world! But doesn't it just make sense to give it to the chosen people? I mean, we ARE the first book in the series! If it weren't for Jacob, who was in the Torah, we wouldn't have Israel! Discuss, discuss.
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31 Dec 2008, 03:43
Music God CJ Plain
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But we're NOT discussing taking Israel away from the Jews, are we? We're talking about The jews taking away the land of the ARABS! That's the problem. The Palestinians are fighting for THEIR land, which Israel has invaded and illegally occupied for the past 50 years. We're talking about a country that has BULLDOZED over a culture at every turn. We're talking about a country that has penned up the Palestinians like animals to be herded, and then has the audacity to complain when they strike back because of it.

If Israel would LEAVE Gaza, quit bulldozing the Palestinian homes, and treating them like animals, Hamas and the other groups would essentially disappear. And by the way, I never said Hamas was RIGHT...both sides are wrong in this on many levels. BUT on the same note...you can only oppress a group so long before the backlash.

It's no different than blacks rebeling against slavery. It's no different than the Jews uprising against the Egyptians.
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31 Dec 2008, 03:57
The Bible Man
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Sorry but the idea if only Israel did this or that and Hamas would fade into nothingness is just not truth. Hama's doesn't want a land for Palestians, they call for the absolute destruction of Israel. Not an appeasement, not a peace treaty, the destruction of Israel. Now those are not freedom fighters, they are terrorist. Does Israel fear for its existence. Certainly while Hamas cannot win a military confrontation with Israel directly the terrror of the people, the disruption of normal living, all the violence.....c'mon give me a break, this is the death of a culture if not defended.

If Hamas really wanted peace they would not have fire rockets into Israel after the truce ended. They are the agressors and quite frankly Israel could wipe them of the map like a dog knocks a flea off of it back, but it doesn't because they are using restraint amidst a people who have shown none.
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31 Dec 2008, 14:29
Giggle
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Let me help you... so far in the past 4 days... 387 dead Palestinians, and 4 dead Israelis...
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31 Dec 2008, 14:55
The Bible Man
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How many people died in Afganistan and Iraq due to the attacks of 9/11 versus US dead...What is your point? We already know Israel is a more effective military power than Hamas, however this does not negate the truth of Hamas objectives or their actions that brought about this military action.
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31 Dec 2008, 03:55
Kate.Monster
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Israel did leave Gaza. They actually made it illegal for all israelis to live there and closed it off and gave it back. However, Hamas is still fighting Israel despite the fact that it was given back. And i'm sorry, even BEFORE Israel became a state, Palestinians were attacking the jews because of the Zionist movement and the large migration to what is now Israel. So don't give me this crap about them only attacking to get their land back. The land is Israel was WON fair and square through mass migration and sheer better forces.
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31 Dec 2008, 03:58
The Bible Man
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Not to mention the fact that the Arabs went to war with Israel and lost the land due to their own hatred and greed and now they want the land back.
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31 Dec 2008, 04:56
some miscreant.
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31 Dec 2008, 04:56
some miscreant.
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9 Jan 2009, 16:45
Doc
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9 Jan 2009, 16:39
ganjagirl
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"Let me help you... so far in the past 4 days... 387 dead Palestinians, and 4 dead Israelis..."

Every Israeli is military trained.
When you turn 18, you join the military and serve 2-3 years (depending on your gender).

That's how they roll, it's a law.


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9 Jan 2009, 16:53
-kay
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Actually, everyone serves in the military in some form or another. I have a bunch of family in Israel, and every one of them has had to serve. My aunts have just done things like paperwork and nursing. No combat-related stuff.

I remember someone sending me a picture of my suuuuper gorgeous cousin--blonde hair, cute clothes, pretty face--holding a poodle under one arm, and an oozie under the other. Nice, huh? o.O
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